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Brentford Families - Bates and RutterElizabeth Thormod from Upminster, Essex, wrote about her paternal grandfather's family (Bates) and included Bates & Rutter family trees, entries from trade directories and census returns as well as family memories. Elizabeth's family also includes a Rutter/Clark marriage: see Clark family page for more details of the Clark family. Unfortunately Elizabeth was not contactable as at June 2015.
Bates - butchers in Old Brentford1853 Mason's Directory, Brentford
Bates H. Brentford End, fishmonger
CENSUS 1861 (schedule 62) no. 313 High Street, Old Brentford, Parish of Ealing, Ecclesiastical Dist. St George
Henry BATES head 52 Fishmonger Thame, Oxon.
Martha wife 53
George son 17 Fishmonger
Thomas son 14
Martha daughter 5 scholar New Brentford
Alma Place, Old Brentford, Parish of Ealing, Ecclesiastical Dist. St George
George RUTTER head 35 labourer Cowley, Middx
Caroline wife 35 Isleworth
Caroline daughter 14 Sunday School Brentford
John son 12 labourer
Mary daughter 5 scholar
CENSUS 1871 It seems I have no records of this one
CENSUS 1881 347 High Street, Brentford, district 126/3/4
BATES George head m 36 fishmonger Oxon., Thame
Betsey wife m 35 " Middx, Brentford
George son 14 "
Betsey d. 8 scholar
Nelly d. 2
GRANT Esther dom. ser. 14
282 High Street, Brentford, St Pauls
BATES Thomas head m 33 fishmonger Oxon. Thame
Caroline wife m 35 - Middx, Brentford
Thomas son 15 asst. fishmonger "
James son 13 " "
Ada dau. 11 scholar "
Katie dau. 9 "
Nellie dau. 1 infant EDMUNDS Ann 15 domestic servant "
JOHNSTONE John 17 asst fishmonger "
DIRECTORY (Post Office) 1882 Brentford
As for ancestry memories there are only a few family stories; Caroline Rutter ran a meat stall in Kingston market, and was a strong Salvation Army member.
My grand father, James BATES, told of one occasion when, as a small boy, he was chased, naked, down the High Street by his mother.
A Boer War puzzle
This I have tried to find corroboration of; if you have something I should be interested to know. Thomas BATES ; to keep his horses exercised in the winter (no information about what he did with them in the summer !) he used to run horse buses from Brentford to London. Also I was told, he sold horses for use in the Boer War. You will see he was something more than just 'butcher'; he had a splendid funeral, accompanied by the Salvation Army band, which held up all the traffic at Hammersmith Broadway - but this is not within the bounds of your enquiry!Top
Research notes - the Boer War horsesFrom The Boer War, by Carol DeBoer-Langworthy
In the field, both sides used the latest long-range, high velocity, small-bore repeating rifles and machine guns. Yet horses played a more important role in the ranging over the countryside and in supply lines. Britain had to scour its empire for the 400,346 horses, mules and donkeys that it "expended" in supply lines, pulling artillery, moving soldiers and machinery. The Boer commandos were excellent horsemen and crack shots, able to live in the saddle, and were operating on their home turf with horses that could survive on tough veldt grass. Railroads played a huge part in supply and troop movement, while steam engines and oxen were used to haul wagons and guns.
From an Australian website about the Boer War : English horses cost £40 each, whereas Australian ones were just £16.
Number 215 High StreetThis was the home of a Thomas Bates, butcher in the 1901 census. In the 1909/10 Valuation Records T Bates is listed as the occupier, the owners being Misses Emily & Olivia Stein of 37 Netherhall Gardens, Hampstead. The description, dated 9 April 1915:
3 storey stock brick built & tiled shop, with extensive stables at the rear with entrance from a Right of Way. Formerly occupied by a butcher but now empty and in very bad condition.
Ground floor: shop parlor. Basement cellar. Narrow scullery with sink. Bathroom with lavatory & WC. Stables at rear brick built & tiled, loft over. Paved Stafford blue bricks and drained (15 stalls).
First floor: 2 fair rooms.
Top floor: 2 rooms
The whole is in very poor condition.
Bates family treeThere are a number of Bates on Brentford High Street in the C19, butchers, greengrocers and fishmongers. Elizabeth has provided details of her branch of the family, which originated in Thame, Oxfordshire.
Henry Bates (5 July 1807, Thame) married Martha Dobbinson; in the 1861 census he was living at 313 High Street; when his son Thomas married in 1865 Henry Bates 's occupation was 'hawker'; children, all born Thame unless stated, include:
Rutter family treeGeorge Rutter (1826) of Cowley, Oxfordshire, brickmaker, married Caroline Clark (2 February 1828), born Isleworth, in Brentford, 1846 (see Clark family) ; in 1861 George was a labourer and the family was living in 'Almer' ie Alma Place; in 1871 at 9 Sussex Place, Old Brentford, no children at home; their children, all born Brentford included:
Published ca 2009